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		<title>By: Erica Leigh</title>
		<link>http://iasshole.org/?p=1687&#038;cpage=1#comment-111825</link>
		<dc:creator>Erica Leigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently moved from a city with a large, visible lesbian population to one that well, not so much.  One of the many nice things about previous city was that when out with a girl at the bars any display of physical affection toward said girl would make guys go away - us. without any further comment.

This does not work in this city.  Was out with boyfriend and best girl friend last week, sitting at a table at a busy bar.  She and I were holding hands.  We were approached by drunk dude who would not go away even after I said, &quot;Please go the fuck away.&quot;  

Didn&#039;t even occur to me until reading Sport&#039;s comment above that boyfriend could have said, &quot;Hey, pal, she obviously doesn&#039;t want to talk to you.&quot;  Hmph.  He will in the future!

Someday my wish to be left alone and not have my physical appearance generate unwanted commentary will be respected as a right, right? 

Going out in baggy sweats becomes more and more appealing the older and crankier I get!

Thanks for post and opportunity to comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently moved from a city with a large, visible lesbian population to one that well, not so much.  One of the many nice things about previous city was that when out with a girl at the bars any display of physical affection toward said girl would make guys go away &#8211; us. without any further comment.</p>
<p>This does not work in this city.  Was out with boyfriend and best girl friend last week, sitting at a table at a busy bar.  She and I were holding hands.  We were approached by drunk dude who would not go away even after I said, &#8220;Please go the fuck away.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t even occur to me until reading Sport&#8217;s comment above that boyfriend could have said, &#8220;Hey, pal, she obviously doesn&#8217;t want to talk to you.&#8221;  Hmph.  He will in the future!</p>
<p>Someday my wish to be left alone and not have my physical appearance generate unwanted commentary will be respected as a right, right? </p>
<p>Going out in baggy sweats becomes more and more appealing the older and crankier I get!</p>
<p>Thanks for post and opportunity to comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Sport</title>
		<link>http://iasshole.org/?p=1687&#038;cpage=1#comment-111772</link>
		<dc:creator>Sport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, the guys who DO assume their interest in a woman trumps the womans desire not to talk, are probably more a chance of being an actual rapist than those guys who would do otherwise. Selfish, self important mindsets?
Pretty obviously most men are not rapists. If even half were, it wouldn&#039;t be 10% of women assaulted, more like 100%, right?.
I think it is like other crimes, one guy robbing ten houses, not ten guys robbing one each. Far and away most people don&#039;t steal. 
None of which is meant to belittle the fact of rape as an assault is terrible. 

It can only help the cause of &quot;a sane world where no-one is a predator&quot; if more men learn of this sad calculation women have to make as they go about their lives.

I just don&#039;t hold out any hope of it changing any time soon. Some people are predatory, it is a fault in the animal.  As Janette says, it is a fact, we live in an imperfect world.
Maybe one way it will help is making more men thoughtful or more likely to reign in their friends?. I can think of a few occasions in the past where I have not said something to acquaintances who were pestering a woman. 

I wonder if it would help in most situations, a passing man pointing out the obvious &quot;Hey, pal, she obviously doesn&#039;t want to talk to you&quot; or would it act as a trigger such as you said you deliberately avoid on your own?.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, the guys who DO assume their interest in a woman trumps the womans desire not to talk, are probably more a chance of being an actual rapist than those guys who would do otherwise. Selfish, self important mindsets?<br />
Pretty obviously most men are not rapists. If even half were, it wouldn&#8217;t be 10% of women assaulted, more like 100%, right?.<br />
I think it is like other crimes, one guy robbing ten houses, not ten guys robbing one each. Far and away most people don&#8217;t steal.<br />
None of which is meant to belittle the fact of rape as an assault is terrible. </p>
<p>It can only help the cause of &#8220;a sane world where no-one is a predator&#8221; if more men learn of this sad calculation women have to make as they go about their lives.</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t hold out any hope of it changing any time soon. Some people are predatory, it is a fault in the animal.  As Janette says, it is a fact, we live in an imperfect world.<br />
Maybe one way it will help is making more men thoughtful or more likely to reign in their friends?. I can think of a few occasions in the past where I have not said something to acquaintances who were pestering a woman. </p>
<p>I wonder if it would help in most situations, a passing man pointing out the obvious &#8220;Hey, pal, she obviously doesn&#8217;t want to talk to you&#8221; or would it act as a trigger such as you said you deliberately avoid on your own?.</p>
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		<title>By: srcsmgrl</title>
		<link>http://iasshole.org/?p=1687&#038;cpage=1#comment-111755</link>
		<dc:creator>srcsmgrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate when you do actually tell a guy you&#039;re not interested and they keep on bugging you, wanting to know why or even better yet, pretending like they aren&#039;t either.  Why can&#039;t we just have a conversation?  Because I just said I DON&#039;T WANT TO!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate when you do actually tell a guy you&#8217;re not interested and they keep on bugging you, wanting to know why or even better yet, pretending like they aren&#8217;t either.  Why can&#8217;t we just have a conversation?  Because I just said I DON&#8217;T WANT TO!</p>
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		<title>By: Janette</title>
		<link>http://iasshole.org/?p=1687&#038;cpage=1#comment-111734</link>
		<dc:creator>Janette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing. Thanks for articulating something I&#039;ve felt for a long time now. I especially like Starling&#039;s point that &quot;your desire trumps her right to be left alone.&quot; I used to ride the bus all the time to and from University; I would wear sunglasses, read a book, and have earphones in. What part of that equation says, &quot;Oh yes, please talk to me! Pick me!!&quot;? Clearly, to me, none of it does. But how many times did men talk to me despite these (what I thought were obvious) clues? I don&#039;t like living in the described rape culture, but it&#039;s a fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing. Thanks for articulating something I&#8217;ve felt for a long time now. I especially like Starling&#8217;s point that &#8220;your desire trumps her right to be left alone.&#8221; I used to ride the bus all the time to and from University; I would wear sunglasses, read a book, and have earphones in. What part of that equation says, &#8220;Oh yes, please talk to me! Pick me!!&#8221;? Clearly, to me, none of it does. But how many times did men talk to me despite these (what I thought were obvious) clues? I don&#8217;t like living in the described rape culture, but it&#8217;s a fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen</title>
		<link>http://iasshole.org/?p=1687&#038;cpage=1#comment-111716</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read this (outloud, to my bf), then went out to The Bars the next night.  There were a couple persistent guys: I did the smile politely but give &quot;go away&quot; signals, to no avail.  

I said &quot;I DONT want to TALK to you. GO AWAY&quot; quite rudely which apparently made him want to kiss my cheek.  

&quot;NO TOUCHING&quot; brought me from multiple guys &quot;you are going to be a bad mom&quot;, and &quot;who are you?! who do you think you are?&quot;  &quot;are you a germaphobe?&quot; 

Finally I pulled one guys hood over his head and cinched the drawstring so the opening was the size of a quarter.  Still, he persisted.  Two guy friends came to my aid which was SO frustrating because I felt like that was the only solution!!  WTF is wrong with people!  Don&#039;t make me be a bitch!

Then I walked alone to my car, thinking about all the guys that forced me to be outright rude to them, and if they might be pissed enough to follow.  Ugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this (outloud, to my bf), then went out to The Bars the next night.  There were a couple persistent guys: I did the smile politely but give &#8220;go away&#8221; signals, to no avail.  </p>
<p>I said &#8220;I DONT want to TALK to you. GO AWAY&#8221; quite rudely which apparently made him want to kiss my cheek.  </p>
<p>&#8220;NO TOUCHING&#8221; brought me from multiple guys &#8220;you are going to be a bad mom&#8221;, and &#8220;who are you?! who do you think you are?&#8221;  &#8220;are you a germaphobe?&#8221; </p>
<p>Finally I pulled one guys hood over his head and cinched the drawstring so the opening was the size of a quarter.  Still, he persisted.  Two guy friends came to my aid which was SO frustrating because I felt like that was the only solution!!  WTF is wrong with people!  Don&#8217;t make me be a bitch!</p>
<p>Then I walked alone to my car, thinking about all the guys that forced me to be outright rude to them, and if they might be pissed enough to follow.  Ugh.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
		<link>http://iasshole.org/?p=1687&#038;cpage=1#comment-111714</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 05:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not a subject that I&#039;ve ever consciously contemplated, but it is some kind of twisted relief to know that I am not the only one who worries about these things all the time. This is a great article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not a subject that I&#8217;ve ever consciously contemplated, but it is some kind of twisted relief to know that I am not the only one who worries about these things all the time. This is a great article.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking forward to hearing your updates on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking forward to hearing your updates on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Suenos</title>
		<link>http://iasshole.org/?p=1687&#038;cpage=1#comment-111687</link>
		<dc:creator>Suenos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 03:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve struck a cord Ms A.  This is an experience that every woman has but no one talks about.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve struck a cord Ms A.  This is an experience that every woman has but no one talks about.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Tigerlilley</title>
		<link>http://iasshole.org/?p=1687&#038;cpage=1#comment-111685</link>
		<dc:creator>Tigerlilley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hur, please delete the last comment, lappy fell off my lap as I was typing.  I&#039;ll start again.

What you said about fear of provoking them, this is my issue right here. I get approached a lot by random men when I’m by myself (London is full of creeps) and my first problem is, how do I tell them to go away without getting into an discussion about, “why don’t you like me”, &quot;what is my problem, is it because you have a boyfriend&quot; or an extended conversation in which they&#039;re trying harder.  I remember once I was sitting on a step at a train station, quite late at night, and a bloke comes up to ask if I&#039;m ok.  I told him &quot;Sure, I&#039;m just waiting for someone&quot;.  He kept talking. The clear point here was that I was waiting for someone that wasn&#039;t him.  I don&#039;t understand why people completely MISS these hints or gloss over them like they&#039;re irrelevant. 

I&#039;ve noticed that people aren&#039;t asking for my number as much as they used, but more my Facebook. It seems like Internet communication is an easier bet for gaining some sort of access to people.  I can understand the logic behind this, but I&#039;m unsure of why they think women would be more ok with it.  I guess that&#039;s another story though.  Sorry for the novel! Loved the link x</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hur, please delete the last comment, lappy fell off my lap as I was typing.  I&#8217;ll start again.</p>
<p>What you said about fear of provoking them, this is my issue right here. I get approached a lot by random men when I’m by myself (London is full of creeps) and my first problem is, how do I tell them to go away without getting into an discussion about, “why don’t you like me”, &#8220;what is my problem, is it because you have a boyfriend&#8221; or an extended conversation in which they&#8217;re trying harder.  I remember once I was sitting on a step at a train station, quite late at night, and a bloke comes up to ask if I&#8217;m ok.  I told him &#8220;Sure, I&#8217;m just waiting for someone&#8221;.  He kept talking. The clear point here was that I was waiting for someone that wasn&#8217;t him.  I don&#8217;t understand why people completely MISS these hints or gloss over them like they&#8217;re irrelevant. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve noticed that people aren&#8217;t asking for my number as much as they used, but more my Facebook. It seems like Internet communication is an easier bet for gaining some sort of access to people.  I can understand the logic behind this, but I&#8217;m unsure of why they think women would be more ok with it.  I guess that&#8217;s another story though.  Sorry for the novel! Loved the link x</p>
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		<title>By: Tigerlilley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tigerlilley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 11:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you said about fear of provoking them, this is my issue right here.  I get approached a lot by random men when I&#039;m by myself (London is full of creeps) and my first problem is, how do I tell them to go away without getting into an discussion about, &quot;why don&#039;t you like me&quot;j 6t</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you said about fear of provoking them, this is my issue right here.  I get approached a lot by random men when I&#8217;m by myself (London is full of creeps) and my first problem is, how do I tell them to go away without getting into an discussion about, &#8220;why don&#8217;t you like me&#8221;j 6t</p>
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